Debora So, tell
me. Tell me how you started doing this (work)?
Sarah How I
started this?
Debora Yes.
Sarah Well, I guess a long, long
time ago, about four years ago, I took a course with Wendy Welch and I
discovered paper cutting. And I loved it. But then, I kinda put it away,
I did one, kind of
like these shapes, but separate. I had painted them with water colours. I did
kind of like a rainbow, a spectrum over one wall of the school (Vancouver
Island School of Art - aka VISA). It was really beautiful.
And I put it away. I
discovered drawing again. I was still painting. But I kept cutting paper, and
things like this. When I had my studio at Xchanges, I was walking to it, I was
standing on the corner of the sidewalk, and there was this wire thing, and I
thought, this is really interesting. I wonder, I bet I can do something with that. I took it
to my studio and leaned it up against the wall. I had some of these cut outs,
and I started hanging them on them, and
the idea just grew.
Debora What is your impetus behind
this? What is the force that causes you to do... cut in multiples, and hanging?
Sarah There are so many levels to
it for me. There is the... I have a bit of a sordid past.
Debora Don’t we all?!
Sarah Don’t we all. I was... I have
a mental illness. And sometimes some behaviours surface. Like a long time ago I
used to cut myself. And so the cutting is cathartic in a way. It is also
transferring something that I used to do in a very self harmful way into
something I can make something beautiful with. The shape is something that...
the shape comes from... well, for me, they are cells. And the importance of...
the cells within our body – the importance of them all being connected...
taking a sheet of paper and making one strip, from one sheet of paper is that
our cells need to communicate. They need
the proper nutrients, they need water,
salt, all that stuff in order to communicate, so we work well. That is
something I am really interested in. The conductivity that I don’t even know
about... I don’t know how my body works. But it does. And I know that is one of
the things. So taking myself outside of myself, I am putting it into a tactile
form.
Debora Your work makes me think of
Wendy’s cellular pictures – that is what came to mind immediately. That was
your inspiration?
Sarah Yeah. A couple of years ago I
took out a book from the school on – photographs of the insides of us. It is
just fascinating. I did a whole series of drawings on organs and right down to
the micro micro . Little filaments that... it is mind boggling. Really, it is mind boggling.
Debora I see this work enlarged from
your drawings. Because your drawings have such detail, diary, just lines. These
are large, compared to your previous
work.
Sarah It was really interesting
working on a larger scale and keeping it really simple. Really simple. When I
use the knife I do feel as though I am drawing. I am drawing with a knife. It
is just another level.
But the other thing
too is they are so ethereal. I really wanted to call this show, my part in it
anyways... there is that famous book by Milan Kundera, The Unbearable Lightness of Being.
Debora Oh, yes.
Sarah And, I really wanted to call
this, ‘The Unbearable Heaviness of Being’, because I feel so heavy. And... I
never actually really wanted to be here.
Debora In the studio? Or...
Sarah In this world.
Debora In this world.
Sarah.
Yeah. My whole life, it
has been a struggle for me to be here. I have used some means, I have developed
some ways of coping with being here in a physical sense. And then my art just
evolved. With that always at the back of my mind, that when I make art, I am
here, I am present. I am safe. I am being creative, I am meditative. When I am
finished a piece, I can put it up and look at and say, okay, I did that. I did
that so that means I am here. Whatever that means. It is almost like... It is a
real, tangible document – that I am here.
Debora Great. I am glad you are here.
You are still
working on this (installation), you are still cutting and hanging?
Sarah Yep. Yeah, I had an idea
that it would grow.
Debora So, it is a work in progress.
Sarah Yes. It is a work in
progress. I just hung 6 more (strands) this morning. I noticed some of them are
breaking... I don’t know what is happening to the ones that are breaking, but
some of them are really short now. I am not here all the time. I don’t mind. The way I hung it... I want
people to be able to move through it, I want them to feel touched. Physically
touched by it. And I want them to touch it.
Debora Being an installation, it is
quite a departure from your paper drawings that you were doing.
Sarah Ya.
Debora Or paintings. Paintings and
drawing.
Sarah Painting and drawing. Ya.
But I always have...I don’t know if you remember my Grad exhibition at VISA.
Debora You were in the corner?
Sarah I was in the closet.
Debora Right! The closet.
Sarah So everything comes from
something that you have already done. With that installation, which
incorporated drawing as well as installation... this is now pure installation.
Debora At Xchanges you had a show, and
you were in a container as well.
Sarah Yes. I am really interested
in the three dimensional aspect of making art, of being creative.
Debora Would you call this sculpture?
Sarah Yes. Yes. Absolutely. Ya,
but you know, it is a mix. It is sculpture, it is drawing.
Debora That is why I am asking. I did
not want to assume. Because some people would say this is a three dimensional
drawing.
Sarah Yeah.
Debora I think of it as sculpture, but
that is my bias.
Sarah I don’t really mind how
people see it. What I really want... is for people... I make it because I make
it, I make it because I need to, have to, or I need to complete this idea. This
concept. I don’t make for anybody else. But I hang it for other people. All I
really want, and this is for anything that I do, I want a response. And whether
people like it or not... I would rather that they liked it, obviously, but if
they don’t really like it, so long as they have some kind of an emotional
response to it... and I found with this piece that that is what is happening.
They come in and say, oh, it reminds me of... oh, it makes me think of...
Debora Can you tell me more of what
they said? What it reminds them of, makes them think of, think about?
Sarah They feel underwater.
Debora Oh yes?
Sarah Ah... Snowflakes. Ice. Snow.
Not a cold climate but a snowy place. Forest. I had a little 5 year-old just
call them weeds. Often it makes them, it reminds them of a childhood thing.
Debora Oh yes?
Sarah Yes. Lots of childhood
memories. There was one fellow who said it reminded him of when he lived in
Quebec and he would go hunting with his grandfather, and it was so quiet.
Because when he was standing in the middle of it, and there was no sound, there
was no music on, nothing. He was just standing. And he felt... he said he felt
as if he was standing in the snowy, snow clad trees in northern Quebec. I like that.
Debora Do you have any conceptual
thoughts on these besides the act of drawing or the process you are involved
with? Is there anything else that you bring to it that is the context within
the art making practice in the world?
Sarah I haven’t really thought
about it that way. To me, it is more about just making the art. Having an idea,
and being curious about what that would look like.
Before I hung the
work, even, it is always at the back of my mind, this kind of thing. I don’t
know what I am going to do. I have an idea. Then I try. So the week before I
hung this, I was trying to figure out how I would, and what I wanted . Did I
want it as a circle? Did I want it on the periphery of the room? Did I want it all in the centre? What I find
is that the work works me. I start to hang. I look at it. That doesn’t really
work. So, I get back up the ladder and do it again. I think I am really an
organic artist. I work to, through intuition. This piece was hard for me
because even though it is very... the shapes are very organic, I knew that I
had to stay within certain bounds. I couldn’t start being really extravagant
with circles or ... I knew I had to stay within certain parameters. Like, four
to a loop.
Debora It is very labour intensive.
There is a lot of work here. How long did it take you, so far?
Sarah I don’t know. Maybe two... I
think I started it mid December. Ya, mid December.
Debora Several months.
Sarah Ya. But that is okay, because
a lot of my work is about labour. It is about doing something. Not because I
have to or because there is going to be an outcome that I am going to get
rewarded for. It is very different from being in the world and having a job.
This work is made just because. Just like, you are in this world, just because
you are in this world. There doesn’t need to be a reason.
Debora It is gorgeous.
Sarah For me, it is a real
spiritual practice. Ya, I think it is about the spirit. In my artist statement,
I say that I am an incorrigible liar. Because I am. I lie to myself. I lie
to... not intentionally. I think when I am really working on something that
means something to me, then my work doesn’t lie. And it is just what it is.
Does that make sense?
Debora Oh, ya. How comfortable are you
with me transcribing this?
Sarah Yeah. Sure.
Debora Okay.
(...)
Sarah When I was playing,
exploring with the wire, the circles I had already cut what intrigued me was
the shadows. Yeah, just the shadows it created. So the next step I think is
making photographs of them. And having them printed properly. Because I think
they are really quite stunning. It really was the shadows they created, and
hanging them together, and also playing with the light. Different lights
differently. Warm light and cool light. And the kind of colours that would come
out of white paper. And the shadows.
One of the first
things I was taught in art school was that shadow is never grey. Or black. It
‘s mauve, it’s burgundy. It’s yellow. It’s all different colours. It was my son
who pointed it out to me. Seriously. We were driving home on a day like today,
really cloudy and he was only three or something. Three and a half. We were
driving home, and he was sitting in the back seat. He say, ‘Mummy, look. Look
at all the colours in the clouds.’ And I looked. And I think that is the first
time in my life I ever saw colours in clouds. So then I asked him, ‘what
colours do you see?’ And he started, ‘I see pink, I see green, I see yellow, I
see purple, I see...’ It was the darndest thing. I never have forgotten
(obviously) I have never forgotten it. So, my three year old taught me to look.
Differently.
Debora Lovely. I love that story.
Sarah So, I think that is why I
love grey, and I love anything with white, and shadow. Not using manufactured
colour. The shadows, they stir something in me.
Debora It will be interesting to see
how you use that in your next body of work. Do you have something in mind?
Sarah What I am going to do is
submit this piece to various galleries around, and outside of Victoria, too.
And I am also going to start exploring with different materials. I would like
to start playing around with plastics, things like that that are more durable,
although, I love the fact that paper is natural, is biodegradable, and it is
transient. That is the other thing I love about this... is that it is not going
to stay like this forever. The other thing too, is that, and I learned this as
an artist, once i am kind of done with the work, I don’t really care what
happens to it. Someone can come and buy it, or take it or I can give it away,
or whatever, but when I am done, I don’t have any... there is only one painting
I have an emotional attachment to that I will never sell, but anything else...
It is kind of strange. Like if someone came in and said they wanted to buy this
right now, I would say, oh great. Although, maybe not quite yet, I don’t’ think
I am not really quite finished. But you know...
Debora Yes. This could be a template
for a manufacturer too. It not is easily repeated, but it is not impossible to
repeat.
Sarah I know I have had a few
people say I need to get a design person in, and a marketing person. No. I just
want to do the work. That is the most important thing to me.
Debora Thanks for taking the time to
speak with me.
Precarious Circumstances
Gallery 1580
1580 Cook St
Victoria BC
